Old school breeder pissing on genomics!!!!

Recently as part of our weekend humor series we published the picture seen at the right.  In publishing the image we knew we would get a reaction, but we were surprised at the way breeders interpreted it.  While we intended to show how old school breeders are dissing on genomics, but instead it seemed to become a rallying cry for old school dairy breeders.

The conversation that has stemmed from it has been very interesting.   As you can see, there are still many breeders who don’t totally understand the merits of using top genomic young sires.  In an effort to help educate, or maybe just bang my head against the wall, we have prepared the following details. .

Proven vs. Young Sire – Who wins in the long run?

Let’s take a comparison of the top 10 Genomics Young Sires vs. the Top 10 Proven sires from the April 2012 proof run.  Of course we all know that the genomic young sires will have higher breeding values, but we need to account for the expected drop.  Our analysis of the NAAB genomic sires’ proofs vs. their later daughter proven proofs currently shows a 13.8% drop on TPI.  (Note: we are actually tracking the drop on LPI sires, TPI sires and PLI sires, and so far we see them dropping 9.7%, 13.8%, and 13.5% respectively.)

The following table shows where the current top genomic sires would rank compared to the proven sires options available currently.

NamePTA MilkPTA Fat PoundsPTA Fat %PTA Protein PoundsPTA Protein %Net MeritPTA TypeTPI or PTIP vs. G
BADGER-BLUFF FANNY FREDDIE 1215590.05470.047921.252251P
LONG-LANGS OMAN OMAN-ET 1442780.09720.16482.032247P
AMIGHETTI NUMERO UNO-ET 1069830.16460.058332.852245G
CO-OP BOSSIDE MASSEY-ET 1115630.08530.077201.822244P
SEAGULL-BAY SUPERSIRE-ET 2154970.08660.018542.402225G
ENSENADA TABOO PLANET-ET 232375-0.046907362.122215P
CO-OP O-STYLE OMAN JUST-ET 164641-0.0748-0.017071.362199P
DE-SU BKM MCCUTCHEN 1174-ET 1286660.08510.046903.452196G
CHARLESDALE SUPERSTITION-ET 170529-0.125106771.992188P
LOTTA-HILL SHOTTLE 41-ET 184562-0.0241-0.056132.522178P
REGANCREST ALTAIOTA-ET 920700.13430.066032.332175P
DE-SU GILLESPY-ET 230868-0.0657-0.046122.852171P
MORNINGVIEW LEVI 831660.13510.16861.432168P
SEAGULL-BAY HEADLINER-ET 1618840.09580.037432.772152G
MOUNTFIELD SSI DCY MOGUL-ET 1184680.10410.037392.892149G
WABASH-WAY EVOLVE-ET 208955-0.0851-0.045022.972143P
S-S-I DOMAIN LITHIUM-ET 1430570.02470.027602.412139G
DE-SU 1263-ET 1015660.11470.077732.142130G
CO-OP OMAN LOGAN-ET 1643790.07600.046550.932128P
MAINSTREAM MANIFOLD 1561810.09540.036611.122120P
RONELEE SSI O DADDY-ET 198454-0.06590.006933.102120G
ROYLANE BOXER PUNCH 4311-ET 1090680.10500.076712.842119G
MINNIGAN-HILLS DAY-ET 1229560.05410.026783.172118G
E-LONGVIEW CM-ET 1636790.064906451.62117P
KELLERCREST SUPER LAYNE-ET 129841-0.03410.017282.562108G
SULLY HART MERIDIAN-ET 193251-0.0755-0.015973.622106G
VA-EARLY-DAWN SUDAN CRI-ET 1260820.13520.055581.832105P
COLDSPRINGS GARNETT CRI-ET 214550.18410.136500.822103P
DE-SU D MAYFIELD 893-ET 163355-0.0247-0.016343.372102G
LARS-ACRES SHOT TRIGGER-ET 579220230.025982.342101P
WA-DEL SEBASTIAN-ET 444310.06220.035432.392101P
GENERVATIONS EPIC 179659-0.03550.016612.722100G
DE-SU BK DISTRIBUTE 1150-ET 1182690.10530.066412.992091G
O-COSMOPOLITAN-ET 1549720.06590.046732.932089G
MS POSIBILITY PERFORMER-ET 323400.11230.055382.642088P
SANDY-VALLEY STERLING-ET 1848840.07590.026782.772088G
LADYS-MANOR PL SHAMROCK-ET 184064-0.0149-0.037342.692085G
WELCOME SUPER PETRONE-ET 1117530.0430-0.027702.062084G
SCHILLVIEW GARRETT-ET 1183510.03400.025871.572081P
BREMER ALLEGRO MAXUM-ET 1323550.0236-0.015881.542081P
MISTY SPRINGS SUPERSONIC 1490810.09520.036932.472080G
CLEAR-ECHO ALTAR2-ET 153250-0.0235-0.045951.972080P
COOKIECUTTER MOM HUNTER-ET 1581740.06590.036472.762079G
DENMIRE MERCHANDISE 1502900.12530.037332.032078G
BOMAZ MARION EMERALD 648-ET 685930.25470.15531.582078P
SYNERGY ALTAJENKINS 1065560.063205302.372078P
KEVREL OMAN MEMPHIS 1087470.03450.055741.752077P
STANTONS DEFINE 175454-0.03550.016522.642072G
REGANCREST PARADISE-ET 862490.07330.036972.632072G
DE-SU ALTASTACKED-ET 1573600.01530.027831.842071G

What Does This Mean?

What you notice is that three of the top current genomic young sires (Numero Uno, Supersire, and McCutchen) would all rank among the top 10 proven sires.  In fact, 25 of the top 50 sires would be genomic young sires.  This is not to say that they will all drop the 13.8% that the average sire has already.  They could drop more or less.  However, what it does show is that these young genomic sires have a much higher predictability than in the past.  You can now use a group of these young sires with much greater confidence than in the past.

The Bullvine Bottom Line

Are all the top genomic sires, going to end up on the top of the proven sires list, when they have daughter progeny?  No, of course not.  But what we have been finding is that only about 10% of them drop off the top list, and many of them hold pretty strong.  We have even found some genomic sires that actually go up with daughter information.  What it does mean?  Use genomic sires that are within 10% of the top sires.  If they have GTPI values of 2,300 or greater, you will end up ahead of where you would have been, if you had not used any genomic sires at all.  Just remember this is an average.  The movement will not be exactly the same for all sires, hence the need to spread out your young sire usage.

For all those old school breeders, who are pissing on genomics, well what can I say?  I don’t expect to change your mind. However, it is foolish to piss on something that you don’t understand.  Might I recommend that you read our free guide – The Dairy Breeders “No BS” Guide to Genomics.

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