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sire report - doorman - rbMost of the time when you are evaluating sires they fit into certain market segments.  There are those sires that work well for commercial breeders. A different style of animal becomes very popular with the high index seed stock producers.  And then there are those sires that get show ring enthusiasts all excited.  Very seldom do you find a sire that appeals to all three types of breeders. VAL-BISSON DOORMAN has been able to achieve exactly that.

Doorman debuted with his first genomic proof in the top 10 in the USA for +2439 gTPI. That got the index crowd excited about him.  He also had a +4.59 PTAT which caught the attention of many of the show breeders.  He also was +4.2 for PL and had a low 2.51 SCS with positive components which made him a great sire for mating programs. That helped him catch fire with commercial breeders.  Doorman was indeed making a relatively unknown cow family world famous.

The Story behind Doorman

Elyse and Jean Gendron, like many young breeders from Quebec, had the dream of one day putting a sire into an Artificial Insemination unit.  So in 1991, Jean purchased an early Blackstar daughter in Canada, LOGANWAY BLACKSTAR DAILY from Albert Cormier as a bred heifer.  Daily went on to score VG 86 as a five year old and produced over 189,122 lbs. in five lactations of 3.7% fat and 3.3% protein.  Not yet to bull dam status but certainly Daily started to prove herself as a brood cow as she earned six stars with four VG daughters.  It was Daily’s granddaughter, VAL-BISSON RUDOLPH DAKOTA VG-88 9* that would be the first in the family to receive bull dam status by sending a Morty son, VAL-BISSON DOMINGO, and an Inquirer son, VAL-BISSON DRAKAR to Semex. Dakota could also milk. She produced a 365d  lactation of 29,974 lbs of milk as a yearling with 3.8%F and 3.3% P and then followed it up with a 2nd lactation of 365d 31,765 lbs of Milk, 3.8%F 3.3%P.  She also was able to prove herself as a brood cow, with 15 classified daughters; 10 scored VG and 4 GP.  Most notable of her daughters was VAL-BISSON FINLEY DREAM VG-87-6YR 13* with a superior lactation and 122,285 lbs of lifetime production (4 lactations) of 3.2%f and 3.2% protein.   Dream was a very stylish heifer winning 1st Intermediate Yearling at Pont-Chateau in 2005.   It was at that same time that Goldwyn had just received his initial daughter proof, so Else, and Jean flushed Dream as a heifer to Goldwyn producing an EX-91-2E and two VG-88 daughters.  They liked that cross so much that, even though these Goldwyn daughters were just heifers, they used Goldwyn again on Dream producing VAL-BISSON GOLDWYN MAYA. Maya would go on to score VG-86 as a six year old and earn 17*.

Val-Bisson Shottle Imelda - Blondin stall shot


Gendron’s at this time also took part in CDN’s pilot project for Genomics.  Participating in this program, the Gendron’s learned that Maya was the highest of all the Goldwyn daughters from Dream.  The highest scoring daughter of Maya was a Shottle daughter, VAL-BISSON SHOTTLE IMELDA, who scored VG-89 as a four year old for her new owners, Ferme Blondin.  Dann Brady, Sales and Marketing for Ferme Blodin comments about the purchase of Imelda, “At the time we were wanting to get into genomics but were also looking for the right type and pedigree. Doorman had just received his genomic information, and we were really impressed. We also loved the cow family and thought Imelda would be the one to get us into genomics.”  The purchase of Imelda has certainly paid off for Blondin in a significant way, “Imelda is one of the most popular cows on the farm! She currently has a number of embryo contracts and has sold every embryo she makes. Since we showed her earlier this year at the Quebec Spring Show and, with the popularity of Doorman calves around the world and the release of her high type RC son Integral, she has been attracting a lot of attention”, comments Brady.  (Read more: FERME BLONDIN “Passion with a Purpose Builds Success”) Before selling Imelda to Blondin in early 2012, Elsye and Jean mated her in late 2010 to Bookmen at the recommendation of Theirry Laberge.  The result from that cross was Doorman.

The Story on Doorman’s Evaluation.

Dairy Bull - 200HO06480 - Val-Bisson DoormanDoorman is certainly a sire that has benefited greatly from the introduction of Genomics.  His non-genomic parent average would have been +2915 LPI and +2168 TPI with a 12 for Conformation and +2.88 PTAT.  Instead, he finds himself over 10% higher on his composite indexes and 40% higher for conformation.  It’s that significantly higher evaluation for conformation that has taken Doorman from being a good commercial sire, with high overall index, into a very popular sire for conformation.  He is currently #33 of the NAAB Active sires for PTAT and is #14 of those born in 2011 or earlier.

Index and commercial breeders will want to protect Doorman on his overall production (+2018 lbs Milk); He does improve components (+.09F and +.08%P) and will lower SCS (+2.51).  He is not a high DPR sire (+0.1 DPR) but has a solid heifer conception rate (+1.2 HCR).  He will indeed offer significant type improvement, especially in the mammary systems (+3.17 UDC).  Given his success in the show ring, it’s no surprise that he is a high stature and size sire (+3.66 Stature, +2.69 Strength, +2.62 Body Depth).  One area where most breeders would want to protect him is on his rump angle, high pins.  While certainly very well suited for the show ring, those high pins may be something for commercial and index breeders to watch for. He does have Planet, Shottle, and Goldwyn in his pedigree, so those of you concerned about inbreeding should use Doorman wisely.

Doorman has also been producing some extremely high index progeny.  His top genomically tested sons include Ladys-Manor Doors Open (+2619 gTPI) from Ladys-Manor Dorcy Oda TY VG-88 the #2 gTPI cow on the locator list.  Males also testing high are Coyne-Farms Doorman Eric (+2541 gTPI) from the MS ElectressVG-88 DOM cow family and EDG Brinkworth Door 8386 (+2517) from the Gen-I-Beq Shottle Bombi EX-92 94-MS cow family. High genomic testing females include Kings-Ransom Doorm Dina from the Kings-Ransom Baxter Dolly TY VG-85 cow family; Silverridge V Doorman Erupt (+2576 gTPI) from the Wabash-Way Evett ET VG-86 cow family and Coyne-Farms Doorman Faith (+2558 gTPI) from the Honeycrest Shottle Faith-ET EX-91 cow family.

The Real Story is in Doorman’s Progeny

What actually has people talking about Doorman these days is not his evaluation but rather his daughters.  Breeders love their Doorman calves.  In our recently launched dairy breeder discussion group, The Milk House, (Read more: Introducing The Milk House – Dairy Breeder Networking on Facebook) noted cattle dealer Jack Lomeo Jr was asking fellow breeders about what they thought about Doorman daughters and the result was an outstanding endorsement of the sire.  With many commenting that their rumps where better than expected, with not as high a pins as his genomic proof would indicate.

Ms Duckett Dymnt Carissa-ET D & N Schirm, Corey Popp, A Gruenes -

Ms Duckett Dymnt Carissa-ET
1st Place Winter Heifer – World Dairy Expo Holstein Show
Exhibited by: D & N Schirm, Corey Popp, A Gruenes

Doorman has certainly been generating a lot of conversation as of late, after his strong showing in the heifer classes at the recent World Dairy Expo (Read more: International Holstein Show – World Dairy Expo 2014). Doorman’s silky jet-black calves certainly made a statement  in the Spring Heifer class at World Dairy Expo, Butlerview Doorman Class, a daughter of 2 time All-Canadian and All-American, Silvermaple Damion Camomile EX-95, placed 3rd  and her full sister Butlerview Doorman Camo placed 11th in that same class.  Winning the Winter Heifer Calf class was Ms Duckett Dymnt Carissa-ET exhibited by D & N Schirm, Corey Popp, A Gruenes. In the Fall Heifer class, Comestar Lauras Doorman, a great granddaughter of 2006 All-Quebec Jr 2 year old, COMESTAR LAUTAMIE  VG-89-2YR-CAN  25* placed 8th.  In the Summer Yearling class another granddaughter of Lautamie’s and one of the earliest Doorman daughters, Comestar Lamadona Doorman placed 7th for Howard-View Holsteins.  In the International Junior Holstein Show at World Dairy Expo, two Doorman daughters, Butlerview Door Camilla and MS Ariannas Door Armani took 1st and 2nd in the Winter Heifer Calf Class, they were also 5th and 6th respectively in the Open Show. (Read more: International Holstein Show – World Dairy Expo 2014)


Butlerview Door Camilla
1st place Winter Calf – International Junior Holstein Show – World Dairy Expo
Miles, Kanani & Soren Price

With outstanding results in the show ring and with their genomic test, it’s no surprise that many breeders continue to use Doorman heavily.  Brady comments “We’ve been using a lot of Doorman and his RC brother Integral. Both of them are two of our top flush bulls at the moment. They make great crosses on a number of different pedigrees, and we really love the Doorman heifers, so he is a key part of our breeding program.” He provides this update. “We currently have the #2 type heifer in the world over +2300 GTPI, who is a Doorman that goes back to Regancrest S Celebrity-EX-94. Her name is Mystique Doorman Cherry. She is on the flush program now, and we are extremely excited about her as she combines Doorman’s family with Barbie and Celebrity’s!”


Comestar Lamadona Doorman
7th Place Summer Yearling – World Dairy Expo Holstein Show
An early Doorman daughter
Howard-View Holsteins

The Bullvine Bottom Line

Any sire with a sky high genomic test will catch most breeder’s attention.  However, it takes outstanding progeny and a very balanced evaluation to become an international sensation that is opening new doors the way Doorman has.

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2014 editors choice graphicOver the years it has been almost impossible to predict which hot new sire would be the next great sire of sons.  Just because a sire had a high index did not always mean that he was going to be a great sire of sons.  For instance, sires like Goldwyn produced great bull mothers but did not seem to make as much of an impact through their sons.  There have also been sires like O-Man that were great sires of sons, but did not seem to leave consistent bull mothers.  Fortunately, genomics at the chromosomal level has started to give us insight into which sires will make better sires of sons and which ones will be more impactful through their daughters.

Look to the past to predict the future

There is no question that Goldwyn has been one of the biggest impact sires over the past 20 years.  But for all the great daughters he has left, he has not had the same dominant performance through his sons.  Recent analysis by the Bullvine actually starts to explain why. Using the Chromosomal Predicted Transmitting Abilities tool on the Council for Dairy Cattle Breeding’s website we took a look at the top 10 Goldwyn daughters with EBV and genomic tests and his top 10 sons.  The following is what we found.

Table 1 – BRAEDALE GOLDWYN’s genetic contribution to his top progeny

$NM Sire Dam %Sire %Dam












It is interesting to note that Goldwyn was much more dominant (11%) in passing his genetics on to his daughters than he was to his sons.  When you look deeper at this, you will actually find that Goldwyn himself actually received 64% of his genetics from his mother, BRAEDALE BALER TWINE VG-86-2YR-CAN 33*.


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In order to put this into a relative comparison, we decided to look at a sire that has been the opposite scenario, O-BEE MANFRED JUSTICE.  O-Man has been one of the greatest sires of sons of the past 20 years, but not as dominant on the female side.  When we look at Justice’s top 10 daughters and sons we find the following.

Table 2 – O-BEE MANFRED JUSTICE’s genetic contribution to his top progeny

$NM Sire Dam %Sire %Dam












It is interesting to see that when looking at Justice’s progeny results he played a far more significant role on average, 68% of the genetic contribution to his progeny, than Goldwyn’s 59%.  This is especially true where Justice contributed 12% more to his top sons than Goldwyn did. This is not surprising when you notice that O-Man himself received a much larger contribution (48%) of his genetics from his father, as compared to Goldwyn’s 36%.


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Who’s Next?

Based on these trends, when looking at some of the top genomic sires from the past 4 years, we find that sires like Mogul, and Epic will be more impactful as sires of sons than say sires like Supersire and Numero Uno.  This is based on the proportions of their current chromosomes coming from their sires and their dams.

As far as current top genomic sires go, DE-SU 11756 OCTAVIAN-ET, SEAGULL-BAY SILVER-ET and MR DELICIOUS COIN 15006 will be more impactful through their sons.  Sires like MORNINGVIEW MCC KINGBOY and EDG JACEY MCCUT 8396-ET will probably leave more bull mothers, rather than sires of sons.  Again, this is based on the proportions of their current chromosomes coming from their sires and their dams.

The Bullvine Bottom Line.

For years, we have wondered why some sires seemed unable to pass on their great genetics to their sons.  Now at the chromosome level we know why.  Some sires are just more dominant about passing their genetics onto their progeny than others.  (Read more:  The Genetic Genius of Darwin, Mendel and Hunt – Genetic Transmission and the Holstein)  A sire’s ability to pass his genetics onto his progeny especially his sons, has a huge impact on whether or not he will be an impactful sire of sons.  For bulls like Goldwyn, this inability means he has fewer legacy sons, while Justice’s ability to dominantly pass on his genetics has contributed to his sons reading like a who’s who list.

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Durham vs. Goldwyn: A Clash of Two Titans

Monday, January 14th, 2013

Inspired by the recent announcement of Regancrest Elton Durham siring the most excellent cows in the U.S. (Read more – Durham Passes Elevation to Become the Leading Sire of Excellent Cows in the U.S.) and Braedale Goldwyn the most in Canada (Read more – Goldwyn First Ever to 1000 EX Daughters in Canada), we here at The Bullvine thought it would be a great time to take a closer look at these genetic giants to  see who has had more impact on the Holstein breed.

The Regancrest Elton Durham Story

Durham coverBred by Regancrest Farms, Waukon, Iowa, Durham was born in 1994 and would go on to be one of the most popular sires of the first decade of the new millennium. Durham’s pedigree combines Bell and Chief Mark bloodlines as he was by a son of Bell, and Snow-N Denises Dellia (EX).  His dam was out of a Bell daughter. Also Dellia and Effie, his sire’s dam, were both from Chief sons and his pedigree shows four Ivanhoe crosses and two to Fond Matt.  Durham has left a very consistent transmitting pattern in both his daughters and his sons. Due to his low production numbers, he was not used heavily as a sire of sons, but his daughters have seen extensive use as bull mothers.

For five consecutive years 2003-2007, Durham was Premier Sire at World Dairy Expo.  This certainly establishes Durham as a once-in-a-lifetime sire of type.  His pattern leaves long bodies, broad and flat rumps, udders that are well attached and  wide rear udders.  However what made him so successful in the show ring was that Durham also transmitted outstanding dairyness and style.

Durham Sons

Durham sons were extremely consistent in their pattern and, at one point, eight of them were in the top ten spots for P.T.A.T (2005).  Some highlights include:

    From the Saturday family, his dam was Sher-Est Emory Swanny (EX). Mr Sam is also the sire of the popular type sire Pine-Tree Sid, who is the sire of Micheret Alexandra Sid (VG-88-2YR) All-American (tied) and All-Canadian Senior 2yr old in 2010.
    Sampled in Spain, Duplex was the highest type sire in the US for several summaries, with high numbers for udders and feet & legs.  Similar to Mr Sam, Duplex was also from an Emory dam this time going back to Henkeseen Mark Marci (EX-94).
    Modest was Durham’s highest production son from Meadow Bridge Aero Missy (EX).
    At one time, Fortune was in the top 10 on the Canadian LPI list.  Probably best known now for being the sire of the winning 4 year old at the 2012 Royal, Macpes Fortune Koquine EX-94-Can.
    From a great maternal breeding family, Primetime was the Durham son of Windy-Knoll-View Peggy (EX-94), and had a high type proof and for a long time was among the top Herd Life sires in Canada.  He was also the sire of the 2006 World Dairy Expo Junior Champion and All-American fall calf, Wm Ariannas Pt Aesha.

Durham Daughters

Daughters represent  the area where Durham has had his greatest impact. There are many great daughters to choose from. Here are just a few:

    Probably best known for being the dam of KHW Kite Advent who was Premier Sire of the Grand International Red and White show for three consecutive years and KHW Regiment Apple who was Grand Champion of the 2011 International Red & White Holstein show.
    Probably best known for being the second highest selling cow in Canadian History (Read more – Lylehaven Lila Z: Was she really worth $1.15 Million? and 2012 Golden Dam Finalist) she is also the dam of 2012 Canadian Cow of the Year Nominee, Comestar Goldwyn Lilac (VG-89) who’s descendants led the way at the recent Genetics By Design Sale (Read more – Genetics By Design – Crosses the $4,000,000 Mark).
    All-American in her own right as a 3yr old in 2005, Atlee is probably best known for her sons who dominate the current type evaluations: MS Atlees Sht Aftershock (+18 Conformation Dec*12); Maple-Downs-I G W Atwood (+17 Conformation Dec*12) and MR Atlees AltaAmazing (+16 Conformation Dec*12).  Atlee herself traces back to the great brood cow AITKENBRAE STARBUCK ADA EX-CAN EX-94-2E-USA DOM 4* (Read more – MD DELIGHT DURHAM ATLEE – 2012 Golden Dam Finalist).
    BARBIE is the sixth generation of the Regancrest breeding program combining both the Dellias and the Brinas.  Eleven of her daughters are ranked in the top 25 of the American type index list.  Barbie’s offspring consistently generate top prices at international sales.  In 2009, granddaughter and fellow 2012 Golden Dam finalist, Regancrest S Chassity EX 92, sold in a package with her offspring for $1.5 million.  Barbie is the dam of 14 EX & 16 VG daughters and, currently, one of the breed’s leading type sires – Braxton EX-95.
    Daisy does it all.  She has high production, fitness, longevity and outstanding type.  This Excellent Durham granddaughter of Markwell Bstar Raven EX-95, who as a young cow made many waves at Madison, also transmits it all.  Daisy’s dam Markwell Luke Rapture recently passed away at 18 years of age.  Numerous daughters, granddaughters and their sons distinguish themselves in the genomic rankings.  As a bull dam in 2010, Daisy had some fabulous results with the high-ranking O-Man sons Dakota (the Netherlands), Duke (Germany), and Osaka (Spain).  In 2012, Daisy’s first progeny sampled grandson, Danillo, provided an impressive sequel with top position in the Netherlands.  Also of note is her grandson Goldday (By Goldwyn) who is from A-L-H Destiny and currently the top International Sires on the BPI List (Read more – Bullvine Performance Index (BPI) – Top Sires December 2012)

While Durham daughters were not typically the hardest milkers they were some of the most trouble free cows and, as more attention is being given to this, Durham decedents are gaining more attention again.  Because of their health traits, Durham daughters have been appearing on the Net-Merit lists and have A.I. studs using them heavily as dams  of sons, not just to get type sires, but to also get Net-Merit list toppers.

The Braedale Goldwyn Story

goldwyn test sire sheetGoldwyn has been an extremely popular sire worldwide since his initial proof in 2004.  This is not surprising given the strong maternal line behind him.  His dam Braedale Baler Twine (VG-86 23*) was Canada’s cow of the year in 2007 and his second dam Braedale Gypsy Grand (VG-88 36*) was the Canadian Cow of the year in 2003.  While many think that Goldwyn made the name for this cow family, long before Goldwyn was proven the family was already proving itself with Gypsy Grand sons Goodluck, Freelance, Spy, Freeman and Bold topping the bull list and daughters Cheetah, Second Cut, and Clairvoyant topping the cow lists.  This explains why Baler Twine was contracted as a virgin heifer at a time when the family name was not as prevalent as it is now.

According to E.Y Morwick in his book The Holstein History, “The pedigree of Braedale Goldwyn offers a clinic on the art of successful line breeding.  He carried three close crosses to Madawaska Aerostar: Sharemar James, his sire, was out of the Aerostar daughter, Stelbro Jenine Aerostar (VG); Braedale Baler Twine, his dam, was sired by Maughlin Storm, an Aerostar son; and Braedale Moonriver, dam of Braedale Gypsy Grand (Goldwyn’s maternal grand-dam), was an Aerostar daughter.  In Goldwyn’s lineage were three crosses to Walkway Chief Mark: Shoremar James and Braedale Gypsy Grand were both by Mark CJ Gillbrook Grand, a Chief Mark son; while Gypsy’s maternal granddam was Sunnylodge Chief Vick (VG 2*), a Chief Mark daughter.”

By February of 2009, Goldwyn had racked up a pretty impressive list of accomplishments, including finishing in the top six on the Canadian LPI list 14 out of 15 times.  He was number one once and number two twice.  He was also the top rated sire for conformation 11 times.  In 2008 when Goldwyn won Premier Sire at World Dairy Expo (ending Durham’s long reign), he was not only the youngest sire in 25 years to do so, but he was also the first bull who topped the LPI list to do so. With his win in 2012, Goldwyn has now tied Durham in achieving five consecutive Premier Sire awards at World Dairy Expo.

Goldwyn Sons

In addition to Goldday mentioned above, there have been impressive sons.  While maybe not LPI or TPI list toppers, they have certainly passed on the high type traits that Goldwyn has to offer.  They include:

    Underrated by many, Fever is more than just a high type sire (+16 Conformation Dec *12) he is also a great mastitis and fertility improvement sire making him a great sire to address the major herd culling problems and should probably get greater attention from many breeding programs (Read more – From Fantasy to Reality – Top Sires to Address Herd Culling Problems).
    Similar to Durham, many Goldwyn sons did not excel in production but did offer great improvement in conformation and health and fertility traits.  Dempsey is one such case.  His daughters would not WOW you with their production, but their strong components, outstanding udders and legs, combined with long herd life and low somatic cell score, certainly make them favorites among their owners.
    Atwood is probably the sire that is going to give Goldwyn the closest run for his money, over the next few years, at the Royal and World Dairy Expo.  His daughters are already putting up some impressive show results (Read more – Breeding The Next Show Winners) and he was among our picks for one of the sires to breed the next World Dairy Expo Champion (Read more – 7 Sires to Use in Order to Breed the Next World Dairy Expo Champion).  Of course Atwood is from the magic cross of Goldwyn on Durham that has produced many great results.  His dam is one of the top Durham daughters MD-DELIGHT DURHAM ATLEE EX-92-4YR-USA DOM GMD 6* (Mentioned above).
    Lauthority combines two of Canada’s greatest cow families, the Gypsy Grand’s and the Laurie Sheik’s. His dam is COMESTAR LAUTELMA IGNITER who is proving she can leave top sons and top daughters as proven by COMESTAR LAUTAMIE TITANIC VG-89-2YR-CAN 14* who was Reserve All-Canadian Jr. 2yr old in 2006.
    Guthrie is currently Goldwyn’s highest proven LPI son at +2494 that has him in the top 50 MACE  gLPI sires.  Guthrie is one of the few Goldwyn sons over 1000 KG of milk and combines that with extreme type (+16 Conformation) and solid health and fertility traits.

Goldwyn Daughters

Similarly to Durham, Goldwyn  has made a bigger impact through the maternal side. Some of his  most notable daughters include:

The Bullvine Bottom Line

There is no doubt that Goldwyn and Durham are the two greatest type sires since the turn of the century.  However, they have yet to leave that legacy son that tops the lists.  While Goldwyn does have Atwood who is going to give him a run for his money at the upcoming North American shows, there is no top index sire to continue the tradition.  For both sires the greatest impact is going to come through their daughters and in that area Goldwyn holds much more opportunity, since Durham was found to be a carrier for CVM and could not be used in countries like Canada, greatly limiting his potential impact.  Which brings us to the question, “Is Goldwyn’s dominance because  he has had a greater opportunity than Durham did (Read more – Braedale Goldwyn: Is He the Greatest Type Sire Ever?).  What is clear is that Goldwyn daughters have fared much better in the show ring while Durham daughters have proven themselves more when it comes to proven sons.  Though the quality of both these sires’ progeny is certainly of the highest level, it will take time to determine just which one of these two sires will have the greatest final impact.


Is Man-O-Man Really Going to be a Sire of Sons?

Wednesday, December 5th, 2012

This week LONGS-LANG OMAN OMAN (Man-O-Man) received outstanding indexes around the world (#6 TPI and #1 LPI) much like the rumours before this proof round had predicted (Read more – Man-O-Man Will He Turn Platinum?). Now many breeders  are again considering him for their breeding programs.  While we can totally support the principle of using the best sire to produce the next generation of AI bulls, we are not sure that Man-O-Man will be a great sire of sons.  Here’s our reasoning.

When you take a close look at Man-O-Man’s progeny, you find that 6 of his daughters worldwide have a higher gLPI  than he has. They are COMESTAR LAUTAMAI MAN O MAN, STANTONS MANOMAN EZRA, SEAGULL-BAY SHAUNA SATURN, BENNER MANOMAN JANESSE, DONNANDALE MANOMAN JAKARTA and STE ODILE MANOMAN MODEL SAPHIR. Three of these daughters have Estimated Breeding Values and three are younger and have Parent Averages.  What really stands out and catches our eye is that none of his sons (PA or EBV) have a higher gLPI than he has.  In fact  his highest gLPI son is almost 5% lower on his indexes than he is. It begs the question, “Will Man-O-Man ever have a son that indexes higher than himself?”

Proven Track Record

When we look at the current CDN Sires of Top 100 LPI Bulls, we find the following sires are proving themselves as sires of sons.

    the sire of Man-O-Man, has 6 sons in the top 100 in Canada with an average LPI of 2496.  This is by far the highest LPI average for sons! O Man has 15 genomically tested daughters worldwide higher than himself and 18 genomically tested sons worldwide  indexing higher than himself.(Ratio of 45% daughters to 55% sons).
    has the next highest son average LPI at 2137 on 11 sons.  Worldwide Bolton has 141 genomically tested daughters and 52 genomically tested sons higher than himself. (Ratio of 73% daughters to 27% sons).
    follows next.  He has 9 sons averaging 2023 LPI. On a global basis Baxter has 292 genomically tested females  and 191 genomically tested sons higher than himself.  (Ratio of 60% daughters to 40% sons).

These previous three sires have produced BOTH daughters and sons, who have surpassed them. Let’s look at another list that is producing top bull mothers but who have yet to produce a legacy son.

    139 daughters genomically tested worldwide higher than himself
    36 sons genomically tested worldwide higher than himself
    (Ratio of 80% daughters to 20% sons)
    91 daughters genomically tested worldwide higher than himself
    39 sons genomically tested worldwide higher than himself
    (Ratio of 70% daughters to 30% sons)
    379 daughters genomically tested worldwide higher than himself
    84 sons genomically tested worldwide higher than himself
    (Ratio of 82% daughters to 18% sons)

The anomaly is Bolton.  He ranks high for progeny average LPI on both the CDN List for Top 100 LPI Bulls (#2) and on the Sire of Top 1000 GLPI Cows (#3). However, his ratio indicates that he will work slightly better as the sire of bull mothers.

The Bullvine Bottom Line

The past foretells the future. Instead of running out to use Man-O-Man to produce that next great sire of sons, he is better used to generate that next great bull mother.  Also, instead of looking to use Man-O-Man sons as the next great sires of AI bulls, breeders  should perhaps  look at sons out of Man-O-Man daughters . History has shown that some bulls are meant to be bull mothers (Goldwyn, Planet and Shottle) and some bulls are more destined to be  sires of sons (AltaBaxter, and Oman). Man-O-Man’s numbers would indicate that he is going to be a better producer of bull mothers.


MAN-O-MAN will he turn Platinum?

Wednesday, November 28th, 2012

As we approach the next index release day, December 4, The Bullvine is hearing considerable speculation about Man O Man, the #2 GTPI daughter proven bull and the top GTPI bull with second crop daughters. Many expect that he will be the top total index daughter proven sire in many countries. What people differ on is will he merely exceed all others or whether he will significantly outdistance the field. The Bullvine decided to summarize some of the highlights and some of the facts as we know them today.

From L to R: GenerVations MOM Lola (VG-86 2yr), Gen-I-Beq MANOMAN Bibi (VG-85 2yr), Mapel Wood MAN OMAN Bambi (VG-85 2yr), Misty Springs MOM Santana (VG-85 2yr), Mapel Wood MAN O MAN Bombi (VG-85 2yr), Morsan MANOMAN Fools Gold Red (VG-85 2yr), Mapel Wood Man O Man Lucy (GP-84 2yr)

From L to R: GenerVations MOM Lola (VG-86 2yr), Gen-I-Beq MANOMAN Bibi (VG-85 2yr), Mapel Wood MAN OMAN Bambi (VG-85 2yr), Misty Springs MOM Santana (VG-85 2yr), Mapel Wood MAN O MAN Bombi (VG-85 2yr), Morsan MANOMAN Fools Gold Red (VG-85 2yr), Mapel Wood Man O Man Lucy (GP-84 2yr)

Man O Man died during his waiting period and so his semen was always in limited supply and therefore he was used primarily on high indexing females. Of course we all know that second crops proof for bulls whose semen is higher priced or in limited supply can often result in elevated values in a second country as the analysis can not totally remove the high merit of the mates nor any preferential treatment of daughters.  The fact remains Man O Man progeny are performing extremely well in many countries and his daughters are in demand.

Man O Man Sons

Man O Man does not have any daughter proven sons. Quite likely daughter proven sons will not be available for another 2.5 to 3 years.

Man O Man’s top ten sons in the USA for PA GTPI are:

  1. Amighetti Numero Uno – 2587
  2. Ladys-Manor Man-O-Shan – 2522
  3. Texel Beauty Cosmo – 2451
  4. Holbrick-ML Limocar – 2421
  5. GenerVations Lexor – 2420
  6. Cookiecutter MOM Hunter – 2409
  7. Cabon Fernand – 2407
  8. GenerVations Lingo – 2390
  9. Hood M-O-M Emmett – 2387
  10. Ladys-Manor-RD Shimone – 2387

A search of the CDN August 2012 Genomic Bull list shows that 18 of the top 50 bulls are Man O Man sons and their average indexes are:

  • GLPI +3038
  • Milk +1728 kgs
  • Fat +94 kgs (+0.28%)
  • Protein +81 kgs (+0.24%)
  • SCS 2.75
  • CONF +10
  • Herd Life 108 .


Daughters of Man O Man

Man O Man daughters do not take a back seat to his sons. Outstanding daughters can be found in every country and websites and magazine articles are full of these females.

The Bullvine studied his top ten DVG LPI daughters. Our thought is that by looking at their DVGs we would minimize any bias due to preferential mating or treatment. Their almost off-the-charts DGV averages are:

  • LPI +3437
  • Milk +1837 kgs
  • Fat +106 kgs ( +0.41%)
  • Protein +88 kgs (+0.27%)
  • SCS 2.75
  • CONF +12, MS +9, F/L +10, DS +9, R +7 ,
  • Daughter Fertility 102, and Herd Life 108

9th Jr. 2yr old RAWF 2012

Recent auction sales have seen Man O Man daughters in high demand. Those selling for over $50,000 in the fall 2012 sales are:



It is too late to start using Man O Man as his semen supply is nearly exhausted. However, most AI organizations have used him as a sire of sons or have sons from Man O Man daughters. Breeders who have already used him like their hard working trouble free Man O Man daughters that are above average for functional traits. They may show a bit of Oman’s rounder turn of rib and lack of style but they are significantly better that Oman’s for median suspensor and dairy quality. One profit oriented milk producer recently summed it up quite well for the Bullvine – “I could milk a whole herd with only Man O Man daughters in it”.



The Bullvine Bottomline

In less than a week’s time, we will know Man O Man’s updated American proof and his first official proof in some other countries. Breeder satisfaction and their decisions to continue to invest in his daughters speaks volumes for what we can expect to see.


Recently Braedale Goldwyn became the 1st sire ever to produce 1000 Excellent daughters in Canada (Read more – Goldwyn First Ever to 1000 EX in Canada).  At this year’s Royal Winter Fair Goldwyn sired 27% of the animals shown, including Grand, Reserve, Honorable Mention, Intermediate, Reserve Intermediate and Honorable Mention Intermediate Champions (Read More – The 2012 Royal Winter Fair Holstein Show – One of the Greatest Stories Ever Told). It is no surprise that many enthusiasts declare Goldwyn to be the greatest type sire ever.

Grand Champion Selection at the 2012 Royal Winter Fair.  All sired by Braedale Goldwyn

Grand Champion Selection at the 2012 Royal Winter Fair. All sired by Braedale Goldwyn

At the Bullvine we wanted to determine the secret to Goldwyn’s tremendous success.  When you look at Goldwyn’s conformation values for Chest Width (-3) and Body Depth (-4) you don’t instantly assume that he would be such a dominant type sire.  In order to analyze Goldwyn’s type transmitting ability versus other great sires, we looked at his ability to sire the pinnacle of the breed – an Excellent cow.  To make it a level playing field, we looked at sires that had a significant number of their daughters that were 5 years or older.  In other words, that were eligible to go Excellent. Here is what we found.

ERBACRES DAMION23-Jul-001590104962125425774
BRAEDALE GOLDWYN3-Jan-0012851017108371449344502713
SHOREMAR BKB ALLEGRO1-Sep-001188221031363327
WILCOXVIEW JASPER5-Jun-991184159251739261211562
INNWOOD TERRASON21-Jun-96108223815832562914484
LADINO PARK TALENT-IMP31-Mar-9810795174624884335831943
BKB AFFIRMED17-Sep-0110843771444201
RENAISSANCE TRIUMPHANT7-May-9598810144643413159
FUSTEAD EMORY BLITZ2-Mar-969752132118439920621532
SUNNYLODGE LINJET1-Mar-928872823921244365712
EK-OSEEANA ASPEN4-May-00883241011615467
REGANCREST DUNDEE3-May-99883480387157371984914
ROYLANE JORDAN1-May-96881195159125831022474
WINDY-KNOLL-VIEW PRIMETIME8-Mar-007819152946831796
DUPASQUIER CARISMA25-Sep-0178359714137741792
BOSS IRON17-Jul-9677521427948439231
MARKWELL KITE12-Mar-99679776191017432274
VALLEYRIVER RUBEN REDMAN17-Jun-99680918141403536253
INDIANHEAD ENCOUNTER28-Nov-995791720035314872
OSEEANA ASTRONOMICAL15-Sep-9048121911571582638556
HANOVER-HILL-R SPIRIT26-Dec-92280127569783347167
HANOVERHILL STARBUCK26-Mar-79-171419725719324108181771
DONNANDALE SKYCHIEF24-Aug-86-2742772573442924231243
MARSHFIELD ELEVATION TONY6-Aug-72-67336776186996071

What stands out when looking at these sires is that, even though Goldwyn has a high conformation index, there are no less than 12 sires (Linjet, Triumphant, Allegro, Aspen, Spirit, Primetime, Astronomical, Damion, Terrason, Dundee, Jordan and Kite) that actually had a higher percentage of their classified daughters score EX.  Linjet, Triumphant, Allegro, Aspen, Spirit, Primetime, and Astronomical have more than double the percentage of their daughters scoring Excellent compared to Goldwyn.


2012 Supreme Champion World Dairy Expo
2012 Supreme Champion Royal Agriculture Winter Fair

Let’s take a closer look at Linjet, Triumphant, Allegro and Aspen.  These sires not only have a higher percentage of daughters classifying Excellent, they also have a lower percentage scoring Good or lower.  This highlighted something very interesting.  On average, the 2 yr old daughters of this group of sires actually scored lower than Goldwyn’s daughters, but as they matured, they tended to significantly increase in score.  Since the sire conformation index only uses classification scores as 2 year olds, this age improvement was not reflected in all of their conformation scores.  Not being able to foretell this age improvement had a significant effect on semen sales of these bulls because most breeders use conformation to determine what type sires to use.  As a result breeders missed out on these sires whose daughters matured later and scored higher later in life.  This was especially true for Allegro and Aspen, whose later-maturing daughters developed outstanding dairy strength post first lactation.

The Bullvine Bottom Line

There is no question that Goldwyn has had the most number of Excellent daughters, nearly double the number produced by second place sire, LADINO PARK TALENT-IMP.  But why is this? Is it the result of his great type transmitting ability, or is it his type proof combined with his high LPI proof resulted in much greater use.  In other words, is it volume or is it quality?  Undoubtedly,  Goldwyn has been the most dominant type sire of the past decade, the bottom line question is,”Does Goldwyn dominate because of ability or because of opportunity?”

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